But I wasn't aware of that at the time, I just used words, I didn't know where they came from, but they ended up kind of telling a story that I couldn't really appreciate until I was a bit older. And yet when I played it years later, I realized that it's a song about the situation that I was in at that time, and it expresses it in in a pretty good way. Like the Pulp song РІР‚СљThis is HardcoreРІР‚Сњ was written at a time where I was not very happy and not in a good place, psychologically, and the words were written when I was completely intoxicated, and so I couldn't even remember having written it. And sometimes it's happened that I may be out and listen to or perform a song three, four years after it was written and suddenly realize more about why I wrote it. And sometimes I'm not always sure what a song means, I just have to know that it feels right to me and feels genuine. I've found when I write lyrics, some of itРІР‚в„ўs thought out, but a lot of it is kind of spontaneous and something that maybe sounds right or feels right to me at the time. And I think that can also work with your own songs. РІР‚СљI just used words, I didn't know where they came from, but they ended up kind of telling a story that I couldn't really appreciate until I was a bit older.РІР‚СњР”Р„ word or a line from a song sticks in your mind and then itРІР‚в„ўs almost like somehow you premonition that that piece of information was going to be useful later in your life. So, sometimes it's almost like seeing into the future. And for me that at the moment I listened to him, it was like music grew up, it moved from being an adolescent thing to being a thing that could talk about what it was like to be an adult. And they were talking about grown up relationships. His songs were melodic and accessible, but they weren't trying to be like a pop song. My first time listening to Leonard Cohen was quite a mind-blowing experience - I guess because of his use of words. Well, Leonard Cohen has always been important to me. ThatРІР‚в„ўs the amazing thing about it.Р”Р„s a songwriter yourself, do you often find yourself thinking about another artistРІР‚в„ўs lyrics? If a song moves you or touches you in some way, it might be something to do with the lyrics or the story or something - but it's usually a combination of things and it's something that you can't quite describe. Right, itРІР‚в„ўs still mysterious in later life! I still find that you can be grabbed by a song and you can't really say why it is. It's different to films and books in a way that you can't quite define why it works, but you know when it does work.Р”Р„nd thatРІР‚в„ўs true of music even after the childhood wonder has worn off. ItРІР‚в„ўs an adult song, and the adult side of it completely passed me by! But it still didn't stop me from appreciating it in my childhood. And then when I heard the song on the radio maybe five or six years ago, after not hearing it for a long time, it's obviously a story about relationships and how in relationships, you can never tell what's going on in somebody else's mind.

Yeah, and when I was a child, I was kind of scared of this song because he kept talking about being able to see inside his head.

An example in my life is a song by a guy called Gordon Lightfoot, who didn't write that many good songs but there's one song called РІР‚СљIf You Could Read My Mind.РІР‚Сњ And then maybe you hear it 20 years later, and you suddenly realize a whole new story going on in that song. There are some songs you just never see yourself getting sick of, even if the meaning changes over time.Р”Р„ song can mean something to you when you're a kid, but you don't really understand what the words are about most of the time. РІР‚СљThat's the good thing about music you can't quite define why it works, but you know when it does.РІР‚Сњ And then there are some songs that still move me whenever I hear them even after like 40 years. The stuff that I do listen to has changed over the years. But I've never had a period where I've not listened to music at all. That was the good thing about when I wasn't playing concerts, I did a radio show on the BBC in England, and I got sent a lot of new music, and that kind of woke me up again. Only in a way where when I was playing a lot of concerts and touring a lot, I didnРІР‚в„ўt have much time to search out new music. You've seen behind the scenes of how it's done, and it alters your relationship to music.Р”Р„nd does that also influence how you consume music afterwards? From it being something that you listen to as an aficionado, suddenly you've made something and then in a way, it kind of spoils or breaks the spell a little bit.

The first time you go into a studio and you record something, that changes your relationship to music quite fundamentally. Cocker, has your relationship to music changed over the years?

Jarvis cocker